+3 energy vs +30 armor - Guild Wars Forums

Fox Mulder · Apr 29, 2008, 05:56 AM // 05:56

+3 energy from 3 extra Radiants & a minor rune on the head piece
or +30 armor from specific insignias & a superior rune.

Which do you prefer? Which scenerio would stay alive longer?

I set up my heroes with 3 +10 armor & 2 radiants.
The necro MM has only 2 but they are +15, because of blood stained
getting thrown in, so that works. The only problem is enchantment
stripping from using blessed.

Carinae · Apr 29, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Armor insignias don't stack. It's location specific, when you get hit one of those five pieces gets hit alone.

Alleji · Apr 29, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Survivor imo.

On pretty much everything.

zwei2stein · Apr 29, 2008, 06:33 AM // 06:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alleji

Survivor imo.

On pretty much everything.

What he said. With exception of stonefist/bloodstrained where applicable.

Radiant is (epic) waste of insignia slot, but if you really want armor vs. energy, go full +armor.

kazjun · Apr 29, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

What class are you? If you're a caster, or a ranger, there's not that much need for extra armour so long as you can kite, and don't hang off the back of your melee. Course, the energy isn't that important if you have some e-management.

So I'd go neither. Get survivor's instead. If you mess up, it'll mean you're not as likely to be one hitted and die in a humiliating fashion

Stormlord Alex · Apr 29, 2008, 08:21 AM // 08:21

Armour insignia don't stack.

And radiants are epic bad unless you're a shockaxe.

Knight O Cydonia · Apr 29, 2008, 08:37 AM // 08:37

While on the subject can anyone help me with a question? Do you need a full set of stonefist insignias to gain the bonus of the 1 sec KD increase, or can you get away with only 1 (e.g on helm)? Cheers.

JR · Apr 29, 2008, 08:43 AM // 08:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knight O Cydonia

While on the subject can anyone help me with a question? Do you need a full set of stonefist insignias to gain the bonus of the 1 sec KD increase, or can you get away with only 1 (e.g on helm)? Cheers.

You only need one. I put it on the gloves for that RP value, yo.

Radiant is decent if you run a bar with exhaustion skills like Shock/Gale.

Knight O Cydonia · Apr 29, 2008, 09:09 AM // 09:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

You only need one. I put it on the gloves for that RP value, yo.

Radiant is decent if you run a bar with exhaustion skills like Shock/Gale.

Thanks JR .

Div · Apr 29, 2008, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Armour insignia don't stack.

And radiants are epic bad unless you're a shockaxe.

RAR! I am SHOXO CHOLO!

Holly Herro · Apr 29, 2008, 10:16 AM // 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Armour insignia don't stack.

And radiants are epic bad unless you're a shockaxe.

Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow...

=^,..,^=
(',') (',')

Blayza Baygo · Apr 29, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56

Radiant works if you have all radiants. 8 extra energy on a monk will give a hero a little extra longevity in battles. They drain enough energy as it is. i think its always best to give them as much energy as possible.

CagedinSanity · Apr 29, 2008, 12:59 PM // 12:59

I use survivors on all my characters, even my casters.

AJD · Apr 29, 2008, 01:09 PM // 13:09

I put radiants on my chest and leggings then survivor on everything else with runes of vitae thrown in too.

Powerful White Man · Apr 29, 2008, 01:38 PM // 13:38

4 Strength 4 Stam Leather Belt?

Hp / Armor >> Energy.

I pwnd U · Apr 29, 2008, 01:45 PM // 13:45

Hp>>Armor>>>Energy

Especially in HM, HP becomes quite important. Energy not so much as you should be able to e-manage your energy no problem hopefully.

Savio · Apr 29, 2008, 01:47 PM // 13:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blayza Baygo

Radiant works if you have all radiants. 8 extra energy on a monk will give a hero a little extra longevity in battles. They drain enough energy as it is. i think its always best to give them as much energy as possible.

Maximum energy is not energy management.

dunky_g · Apr 29, 2008, 01:54 PM // 13:54

Health is the most needed i think, then armor, energy should be last as its easy to manage unless your stupid.

Master Knightfall · Apr 29, 2008, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Since there are so many armor penetrating spells/skills the armor buff isn't that great, but, it is still much better than the 3 energy. On the other hand though like I use for my monks is stance armor (+10 while in stance) and shield with installed incriptions of +10 vs slashing or +10 vs blunt or +10 vs piercing or +10 vs fire (depending on what we'll face most in the encounters). I don't see that many stance breaking encounters as I do disenchanting mobs so I went stance and use mantra of resolve so my monk doesn't suffer those unlimited interupts and still can get heals off. This is why I can do a lot of areas with just 3 heroes and myself in hard mode. So my monks are running around with 40 energy and 88AL most of the time, throw in a guardian and/or other protective spells and they are hard to take down by the enemy AI.

There are other ways to toss up armor on your casters though like from the mesmer line the mantra of persistance? the one that gives +40 armor vs melee at a reduction of armor vs elemental or vicey versa with +40 armor vs elemental at a reduction of armor vs melee. Then you have the earth line elemental armors (lord knows we see the likes of these all the time in FA Obsidian armor) Back in the day when we could stack armors you could make practically invincible characters. <grin> Anet have nerfed most everything in the armor buff catagory though now. Watch Yourself used to be an excellent armor buff, but, it's been ground into the dirt.

But, anyways back to OP's question, go with the armor if you're going to go with anything and perhaps put Survivor in foot slot as that is what I do along with superior vigors.

On the other hand if you want to make a superior ele with a huge energy bank put energy into every slot available except of course your main skill attribute and getcha one of those +15 -1e recovery wands and a +15 -1e recovery focus item and you'll have a huge energy bank to begin with, but, once used up you'll be nothing more than a depleted warrior after sex. <grin>

romeus petrus · Apr 29, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

Radiant insignias = epic phail

I go full survivor for PvP. Same can be said for PvE especially in HM unless you are trying some very special builds that require high base energy (e.g FoC spike)

Apr 29, 2008, 05:56 AM // 05:56	#1
Fox Mulder Inde Censors Me Join Date: Aug 2006	+3 energy vs +30 armor +3 energy from 3 extra Radiants & a minor rune on the head piece or +30 armor from specific insignias & a superior rune. Which do you prefer? Which scenerio would stay alive longer? I set up my heroes with 3 +10 armor & 2 radiants. The necro MM has only 2 but they are +15, because of blood stained getting thrown in, so that works. The only problem is enchantment stripping from using blessed.

Apr 29, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02	#2
Carinae Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Inside Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	Armor insignias don't stack. It's location specific, when you get hit one of those five pieces gets hit alone.

Apr 29, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27	#3
Alleji Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006	Survivor imo. On pretty much everything.

Apr 29, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38	#5
kazjun Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: HoVa Profession: W/N	What class are you? If you're a caster, or a ranger, there's not that much need for extra armour so long as you can kite, and don't hang off the back of your melee. Course, the energy isn't that important if you have some e-management. So I'd go neither. Get survivor's instead. If you mess up, it'll mean you're not as likely to be one hitted and die in a humiliating fashion

Apr 29, 2008, 08:21 AM // 08:21	#6
Stormlord Alex Grotto Attendant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island Guild: Soul of Melandru [sOm] Profession: W/E	Armour insignia don't stack. And radiants are epic bad unless you're a shockaxe.

Apr 29, 2008, 08:37 AM // 08:37	#7
Knight O Cydonia Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: No Goats No Glory [BAAA] Profession: Me/	While on the subject can anyone help me with a question? Do you need a full set of stonefist insignias to gain the bonus of the 1 sec KD increase, or can you get away with only 1 (e.g on helm)? Cheers.

Apr 29, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56	#12
Blayza Baygo Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2008 Guild: Reign of Judgement Profession: E/A	Radiant works if you have all radiants. 8 extra energy on a monk will give a hero a little extra longevity in battles. They drain enough energy as it is. i think its always best to give them as much energy as possible.

Apr 29, 2008, 12:59 PM // 12:59	#13
CagedinSanity Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Away from you. Profession: W/	I use survivors on all my characters, even my casters.

Apr 29, 2008, 01:09 PM // 13:09	#14
AJD Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: ME Profession: W/	I put radiants on my chest and leggings then survivor on everything else with runes of vitae thrown in too.

Apr 29, 2008, 01:38 PM // 13:38	#15
Powerful White Man Banned Join Date: Apr 2008	4 Strength 4 Stam Leather Belt? Hp / Armor >> Energy.

Apr 29, 2008, 01:45 PM // 13:45	#16
I pwnd U God of Spammers Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: in the middle of a burning cornfield... Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS] (Officer)	Hp>>Armor>>>Energy Especially in HM, HP becomes quite important. Energy not so much as you should be able to e-manage your energy no problem hopefully.

Apr 29, 2008, 01:54 PM // 13:54	#18
dunky_g Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: [SNOW]	Health is the most needed i think, then armor, energy should be last as its easy to manage unless your stupid.

Apr 29, 2008, 02:05 PM // 14:05	#19
Master Knightfall Banned Join Date: Dec 2007	Since there are so many armor penetrating spells/skills the armor buff isn't that great, but, it is still much better than the 3 energy. On the other hand though like I use for my monks is stance armor (+10 while in stance) and shield with installed incriptions of +10 vs slashing or +10 vs blunt or +10 vs piercing or +10 vs fire (depending on what we'll face most in the encounters). I don't see that many stance breaking encounters as I do disenchanting mobs so I went stance and use mantra of resolve so my monk doesn't suffer those unlimited interupts and still can get heals off. This is why I can do a lot of areas with just 3 heroes and myself in hard mode. So my monks are running around with 40 energy and 88AL most of the time, throw in a guardian and/or other protective spells and they are hard to take down by the enemy AI. There are other ways to toss up armor on your casters though like from the mesmer line the mantra of persistance? the one that gives +40 armor vs melee at a reduction of armor vs elemental or vicey versa with +40 armor vs elemental at a reduction of armor vs melee. Then you have the earth line elemental armors (lord knows we see the likes of these all the time in FA Obsidian armor) Back in the day when we could stack armors you could make practically invincible characters. <grin> Anet have nerfed most everything in the armor buff catagory though now. Watch Yourself used to be an excellent armor buff, but, it's been ground into the dirt. But, anyways back to OP's question, go with the armor if you're going to go with anything and perhaps put Survivor in foot slot as that is what I do along with superior vigors. On the other hand if you want to make a superior ele with a huge energy bank put energy into every slot available except of course your main skill attribute and getcha one of those +15 -1e recovery wands and a +15 -1e recovery focus item and you'll have a huge energy bank to begin with, but, once used up you'll be nothing more than a depleted warrior after sex. <grin>

Apr 29, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29	#20
romeus petrus Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Urgoz Warren Guild: Legion of Doom [LOD] Home of PWNZILLA http://PWNZILLA.guildlaunch.com	Radiant insignias = epic phail I go full survivor for PvP. Same can be said for PvE especially in HM unless you are trying some very special builds that require high base energy (e.g FoC spike)